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$7 for 26 minutes of content isn't that crazy. Thick as a Brick is only two tracks. Should it just cost $2?

If you desperately need it, then buy it. If you don't need it, simply don't buy it. I don't need it, so I won't buy it. For whatever price. A good version of Penguin In Bondage from that era is already there (on R&E), and it was the artist himself who did the choice. What else does the world need?

Let's get down to the essence of Frank's legacy and forget about all those alternate versions and second hand concert take-outs that didn't make it for a release because HE had the choice back then.

Respect the artist!

Th.

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Thinman wrote:

If you desperately need it, then buy it. If you don't need it, simply don't buy it. I don't need it, so I won't buy it. For whatever price. A good version of Penguin In Bondage from that era is already there (on R&E), and it was the artist himself who did the choice. What else does the world need?

Let's get down to the essence of Frank's legacy and forget about all those alternate versions and second hand concert take-outs that didn't make it for a release because HE had the choice back then.

Respect the artist!

Th.

So by purchasing this product, I have disrespected Frank?

I hear you, loud and clear, Thinman. My only "argument" would be to point out that this is a much longer version of PiB and, my opinion of course, it's freakin' sweeeeet!

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Just bought it and gave it a listen. It's good, but I doubt I'll really go out of my way to listen to it again. There are far worse ways to spend $7.

PiB likes this!

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my Itune tell me i am at my 14th shot

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Frank at his smarmiest, not my favorite version of Frank. Nothing new or exciting - for the money - its up to you. I enjoyed listening to it.
Won't return to it anytime soon. I've spent 7 bucks on worse and better things. NOTE: This history is not so unknown. If you've read any Zappa
biography you already know the story. Not particularly better told here. the music is wonderful but once the story starts it's sort of tied to the tale,
so to speak.

£4 quid not no problem

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Arf you out of your fucking mind.

I'm just relieved iTunes gave it a Parental Advisory sticker and marked it 'Explicit'. I'm finally able to buy a Zappa product safe in the knowledge that Apple have given it a rudeness rating.

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I noticed that too, fucking ridiculous. PIB is the only iTunes release I have seen this on too.

Yeah, not only is that silly, but after I purchased the track, I get a message saying I'm not authorized to listen to it. So the info is there in my i-tunes library, he purchased has been made, but the title is greyed out and I can't play it. On hold right now with Apple - Oi vey, I like cds better.

You might want to check your parental settings in iTunes. Go to Preferences -> Parental. There should be a check box for "Restrict explicit content."

It's an age-old debate on the Zappa forums indeed. I can understand your point. I'm very used to the iTunes format and I'm hard pressed to think of a time in the last several years that I've experienced any big headaches with it or grabbing music through it. It's a slick, robust library management interface and through the advent of AirPlay - it's become a no-brainer for me as I'm able to access my library from any of my mobile devices in the house and have it play in different "zones" with a couple of gestures. Easy enough that the girlfriend can do it from her phone now too! But I understand that it takes a lot to get to that point with your library and stereo setups, etc. Popping in a physical disc has its merits and the fetish factor is nice (for me, it lasts a day or two, tops). To each his/her own...

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I'm a vinyl purist, but I fully embrace iTunes for my portable music needs. When people go off on how much they hate iTunes, I really don't get what all the fuss is about. It took some getting used to when I bought my first iPod in 2006 or so, but since then, I've NEVER had any problems with it. Granted, I almost never buy music through iTunes. On the rare occasion that I buy mp3s, it's usually from Amazon where you can grab a lot of new releases for insanely cheap prices.

Is it just me or do other people have problems when converting converted WAVs from I-Tunes to other formats e.g. the dreaded MP3s or even worse WMA (for listening on an MP3 player in the car)? I get little gaps in the middle of songs.

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Another bad thing about these digital downloads is this stupid incomplete tagging standard.
This format from the 90's has been thought for mainstream industrial music that you can throw away when it gets outdated.
People just wanna get track X from band Y, and they don't care the track have been remastered, remixed, edited, rerecorded or compressed.
It has not been designed for serious music.

If you like to have 3 different versions of a Mozart Concerto in your library, because the cadence (solo) is different, how can you differentiate these?
From the artist tag? Okay, who is the artist?
Is it the conductor? The orchestra? The soloist? The guy who wrote the cadence, or all of them randomly sorted and separated with slashes?

This "year" tag is just a joke, is it the recording year? The production year? The first release year? The current edition year?

If you have a consequent library, which is my case, these things matter.
I guess that mainly depends on the player. But why would you want to decrease the quality of an already decreased quality format?

Well, to your second point, I don't have a fantastic sound system in my car, just an MP3 player which I play via a cassette in the car tape deck and also my car is quite old, makes quite a bit of noise and therefore covers up quite a lot of hiss. The car is therefore not the place I go for a quality listening experience, rather I'm looking for something to bellow along with tunelessly while I'm on the road. To your first point, I don't think the dropouts are caused by the player, as they occur when I play the converted tracks back on the computer before storing them on the MP3 player.

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Cap I use Format Factory and have had some pleasant results

http://www.formatoz.com/

Add some ironic humor to the mix and a good time can be had by all

Thanks, I've downloaded it and will try it out.

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I'm trying to adapt to the digital age, the majority of my CD collection is on an iPod plugged into my entertainment system, but as I've said above, while iTunes in OZ continues to charge ridiculous prices, I'll continue to buy CDs. It's just totally stupid that I can save money that way.

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The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.

It depends on your preferences but there are lots of different ways that could be handled within the "confines" of iTunes metadata. For starters, you could simply append something at the end of your track name: e.g. "Mozart Concetro #6 (alt cadence).

Re: artist tag > you'd have to make the judgement call on whether or not you prefer to organize your tracks by composer or performing orchestra. That's up to you. But I'd pick something and stick with it so you don't wind up with random sorting.

One particular sorting maneuver that I love doing in iTunes is utilizing the 'Sort Album' field. I prefer to see my albums listed chronologically so I do something like this:
Van Halen (first album) gets 'Van Halen 0010' in its 'Sort Album' field
Van Halen II gets 'Van Halen 0020' and so on.
That way, if I came to find out an EP got released between the 2 (which never happened but I digress...) - I would mark it 'Van Halen 0015' in its 'Sort Album' field.
Pretty nifty....

I also organize my compilations like that (e.g. Van Halen C010) and demos (e.g. Van Halen D010) and live tracks (Van Halen 781103) (YYMMDD) - pretty cool, pretty easy and comes out with Woolite!

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Well put! That makes absolutely no sense. It's a shame that the MUSIC BUSINESS <insert ghastly shriek> makes it work out that way.... RETARDED!

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I willingly pay $7.00 for a beer in Manhattan, and sometimes they're not great..... THIS purchase was a no-brainer.